Reply to writer of 4/20/26

 I am the writer from 4/20/2026 - I was curious, as time has gone on I continue to think of your blog and investigation, do you believe that there was or could have been any s**ual or child abuse within this organization? Maybe committed by Larson, or other members? Or is it strictly financial and emotional abuse, as described

 

Thanks for writing. Let me preface my response with two things.  First, I have not been a part of the ABC denomination for more than two decades so I cannot give specific insight on the current state of affairs. I know only what some have told me of late, or can extrapolate from reports given. Second, I have known Gilbert Larson since I was fourteen and am now on my way to age 72. As a young man I worked with Gilbert out in the field one summer on a lengthy forest road project near Redding California. As a teen I spent considerable time during summers at his home as my father established meetings in Grants Pass Oregon. I know Gilbert well enough to say it is very doubtful he would be involved in any form of physical abuse or s*ual abuse. Gilbert Larson is a man who, in my opinion, has been taken with excess ego and exhibits, in my opinion, some narcissistic behaviors. He has a religious fervor which leads him to believe he has the right to dominate others through various forms of spiritual, psychological, emotional and financial abuse. I have found, by communicating with others about spiritual abuse, this is not uncommon of persons who place themselves in a position of religious authority. It is why Jesus warned us all about being too self-righteous. It is why Jesus targeted the Pharisees. From my view, the actions of Gilbert Larson are what Jesus warned us about. He, and my father, are very similar to Diotrephes in Third John. This is evidenced by the many people whose souls have been crushed over years.

There are many forms of abuse in this world, but the five most common are Physical, Emotional, Psychological, Spiritual, and S*ual. In every organization, including churches and the ABC specifically, there will be incidents of all these forms of abuse, either rampant or isolated. People are people. All persons, no matter how righteous the facade, are subject to some form of human frailty. Every form of abuse has one common denominator, though, and that is the goal of dominating another person, young or old, through subterfuge, manipulation, force, lies, fear, intimidation, etc…

You asked about child abuse in the past specifically. If you review some of the comments on this site you will find allegations of child abuse in the past by persons who grew up in the ABC, like myself. I cannot speak to any time since being cast out, intimating that my one sentence spoken was nearly an unforgivable sin. The ABC is not a place of love, just love bombing. What follows the love bombing, generally many years later, is torment if one should express a viewpoint different than the leadership has put forward. There is no “reasoning together” in the ABC and trying will bring much pain. As testament to that, when I was ambushed I was told I could not speak on my own behalf and explain my reasoning behind my offending words. It is love that sums up every commandment and this lack of true love in the ABC, and their doctrine of isolation, is what creates a toxic environment where many forms of abuse can occur unchecked.  Those who remain, and accept the abuse, are suffering what is called “Stockholm Syndrome”.

As to specific incidents, I personally witnessed my stepmother tying up very young children, hand and foot. They were then made to lie for long periods on a cold concrete garage floor, lay isolated in an empty bathtub, or stand with their nose against a wall for many hours; always with a bag placed over their head. Even very young children were subjected to these cruelties. I witnessed one particularly egregious incident where a preschool age girl was placed out in the hot sun, on a concrete patio, in a small tent, for a whole day with no food or water. This was expected to rid her of her “rebellious spirit”. There were many similar incidents at my stepmother’s hands that I personally witnessed; too many to list here. My stepmother saw every child as having a “rebellious spirit”. She also believed once a child entered her home, they were “her child”, no longer the parent’s child, and it was her mission to remove that rebellious spirit from these children, even if that meant physical and mental torture carried out over very long periods of time. She taught, and advocated, this form of child rearing to the parents of the day so this harsh treatment happened to many children in the ABC. We were all young parents back then, impressionable, under considerable spiritual duress by the ABC, so this doctrine of rearing children with abuse permeated the understanding at that time.  Most children walked away from the ABC when they were first able, seeing it as a place of torment. This is likely still the case.

I know of only one major incident of s*ual abuse discovered among the leadership of the ABC, but that was many decades ago. That elder’s name is on the "Ordination Certificate" I was given back in the 70's. I was told he went to prison but know very little of the details since I lived far away from the happenings and little has been said of the details of that incident. There have been a few other isolated incidents among individual members but, certainly, this is not a universal issue in the ABC, or a part of their doctrine.   

As stated earlier, the core of all forms of abuse is domination of a person, young or old. There is considerable spiritual, psychological and emotional abuse of persons of all ages in the ABC with the intent to dominate their life. This is evidenced in the comments others have submitted. Based on some of the correspondence and comments received I strongly believe this is still the case. If you read the underlying core of the ABC doctrine, it is the capture of men’s souls through instruction that the ABC has the exclusive franchise on salvation through Greek interpretation using a book they now claim they are the sole publisher of. They have charts and graphs showing their method of salvation and teach the only way to protect oneself from future damnation is to become a member of this particular denomination then submit to them completely. This they perpetrate on others so they can dominate their lives then extract a tithe that goes only to a few top leaders and is not used to help others. A part of their doctrine stated tithe and offerings must only be used “for the ministry”. The “ministry” being defined as the teaching of the use of multiple Greek study books. The complete failure of the “Mexican Ministry” shows this method of study is only valid when English is a first language to the exclusion, based on ABC doctrine, of non-English speaking individuals.

I don’t believe the physical abuse of children still rises to the levels it did in the very beginning, but I am certain there still remains among the membership various forms of harsh discipline, which could still be considered abusive. The ABC quotes Pr. 13:24 as their doctrinal basis for this harsh discipline. What is missing in this interpretation is the Psalms were written from the perspective of a shepherd, not a whipmaster. A shepherd did not “spare the rod” but the shepherd also never used the “rod” to beat the sheep. He instead used it to gently nudge and guide the sheep down the correct path and only pulled back with the crook end of the rod when a sheep was headed for immediate danger. He never afterward tried to beat instruction into the sheep. At one of the last men’s meetings I attended in Vancouver, one of the elders had prepared large thick wooden paddles with a large hole in the center, suggesting these should be used on our children since they inflicted much more pain. I do not know how many took those paddles with the intent to use them, but I left that meeting without one.

The isolationist, cultish, doctrines of the ABC, which have seen very little change in the last nearly sixty years, condones and encourages spiritual, emotional, psychological and financial abuse and these abuses have destroyed many people and families. The five most important things Jesus spoke about are Justice, Mercy, Faithfulness, Love and Tolerance. The greatest of these is Love, and Tolerance is a direct equal to Love. I find there was an extreme deficit of these five most important things in the ABC in the past and this deficit existed up to moment I was ambushed. My speaking out against these harsh “disciplines”, at the IHOP encounter, are what led to my final ouster. I doubt much has changed so it more than likely remains the same in the present. This lack of true Godly love is baked in. It is this “leaven” that has caused some to be puffed up with false pride that leads to these men dominating other’s souls. As to the elders (leaders), they are admonished not to “lord over” in the writings of Peter:

To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder and a witness of Christ’s sufferings who also will share in the glory to be revealed: Be shepherds of God’s flock that is under your care, watching over them—not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not pursuing dishonest gain, but eager to serve; not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock. And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away. I Pe. 5

This notion is usually rebutted with the words following stating “the younger” must “submit”. But they completely miss the later words showing we must ALL clothe ourselves with humility and put away our false pride. Elder and younger alike.

In the same way, you who are younger, submit yourselves to your elders. All of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, because, “God opposes the proud but shows favor to the humble.”

Lording over another person, in any manner, is abusive behavior. It is domination. It is spiritual, psychological and emotional abuse. This is often coupled with financial abuse after the domination is complete. There is a great deal of “lording over” in the ABC. Their view is they have the only key to the door of salvation, as “discovered by my father” using a series of modern books, such as Panin’s New Testament and Stegenga’s Greek Concordance. The top leaders use fear, intimidation, threat, secrecy, manipulation and inflicted guilt to control others and remain in control and in power.  They perpetrate their own view and will on the people, while diminishing any other viewpoint. These are all abusive behaviors.

Reply to anonymous dated 3-18-26

I don’t really keep up on this  site much anymore but I appreciated your comments and wanted to give just a little input on a few of your musings. 

The ABC has some heavy misogynistic practices.  Women only eat after the men. Women must don a head covering in the meetings or if praying anywhere; even though this was only mentioned one time in the Bible, in a letter written only to the Corinthian people and the writer of that letter never expected it to become widely published and a “law” for all.  Women are not allowed to teach. Again, from a letter the writer never expected to be published globally.  None of these things line up with the examples left by Jesus. He enlisted many women as his disciples.

The general consensus in the ABC is that if one is accused by senior management, they must “repent” even if there was no actual wrong. When I was accused, I was told I could not speak or offer any defense of my words. Over and over, I heard from people showing up at my door after I was excommunicated, (unwilling to step inside to talk since they were told that would cause them to become “oppressed”), that I needed to “just go along with what they say, even if they’re wrong, for the sake of unity”.  That’s not unity, that’s authoritarian rule.

On the face of it, there seems to be happiness and joy in the ABC.  Behind the scenes is actually a great deal of fear, anxiety and depression. The upper echelons rule through fear. There is a great deal of talk in private “off the record” that goes counter to the accepted view. As an elder, not by choice but by decree, I saw how many people came for prayer and anointing for “oppression” at every weekly meeting.  “Oppression” is the standard term used for depression or anxiety.

It is a standard teaching of the ABC that “protecting the body” is over all, even if that requires lying. Even if it is close family that must be shunned. Even if it is lifelong friends that must be alienated.  I do not recall there was any teaching of Jesus that delineated such a practice. These are all markers of a cult.  Jesus associated with anyone and lifted burdens, not inflicted burdens too heavy to bear.  His mission was not to instill fear and isolation.  As to secret meetings, Jesus had none.  Even the day of Pentecost was witnessed by others not associated with Jesus. The all-churches begin with the elders marching a perimeter around the grange hall to separate it as “holy ground”. I was there one time when the fire inspector showed up to do a walk-through and the hall had to be “sanctified” all over again.  That’s superstition. 

As to the source of my father’s teachings, you are mostly correct.  When I was born my father was a “youth minister” at a Presbyterian church in Tacoma WA.  I only know those days from stories he told since I was too young to be aware.  He attended two seminaries, the last being in Eugene OR.  These were when I was an infant. My first personal church recollection was that of Noti Pentecostal church in Noti OR.  This could be classified as a “holy roller” church with people being “slain in the spirit” at the prayer meetings and lots of hellfire and fury taught from the pulpit. Each meeting many would fall to the concrete floor and lay quivering in some sort of trance.  As an age five- to eight-year-old, church could be scary. 

My father’s job is what led us to Seattle and he became reacquainted with James Watt, once a co-worker with Derek Prince ministries.  I became aware, in my research, that my father had actually met Watt long prior to us moving to Seattle.  Watt was the greatest influence on ABC doctrine. Many of his other ABC teachings came from reading religious books and listening to Christian radio in the car, despite his instructions not to read these books or listen to any Christian radio. He did both all the time.  I was in the car with him when he listened to the “Wells” teaching on radio, as well as the “Horns of the Altar” teaching.  He then wrote those up as his own then traveled between areas teaching them as his own. They weren’t.  Nearly all of the basic ABC salvation doctrines came from James Watt, who learned them from Derek Prince.  In fact, if one acquires the Derek Prince book “Foundational Truths for Christian Living” on Amazon you will find it is all nearly identical to ABC doctrine. As I show on this site, the Daily Reading Card” was originally made by James A Watt. It was then duplicated exactly by the ABC and presented as my father’s creation. It was not.  The use of the Stegenga Greek concordance, Vines, Panins’ etc., was all first initiated by James A Watt as an efficient method of study. There is very little that is original in the ABC.

You referenced Mormonism, Jehovah Witness and Freemasonry.  I was unaware Bruce was raised in the Mormon church and that explains a little more of his outlook on life. In regards to the reference aligning ABC practices with Jehovah Witness there are in fact many distinct parallels. Shunning, pushing aside family, abuse of any person with a view different from the upper echelons, etc. There are parallels between all three…Scientology, Jehovah Witness and the ABC.  Leah Remini, an escapee from Scientology, produced an excellent video illustrating comparisons of Scientology and JW and these can be extrapolated to parallels to the ABC as well.  It can be watched for a couple bucks online but is very well done. Here is the link:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niZVKjaP8ZM 

I don’t know of any family history showing my father was ever a Freemason.  He enlisted in the Navy at age 17 and when he left the war (WWII) he became a Seabee in Tacoma WA for a while.  This is when he began to seek out Christianity and was soon associated with the Pentecostal movement, William Branham, Kuhlman, A.A. Allen and a host of other Pentecostal preachers.  I would think he would have been averse to joining Freemasonry, but I was too young then to have any firsthand knowledge.

Since leaving the ABC; kicked out for all of eternity actually; I have been in contact with many persons across the globe who have been subjected to the exact same crushing practices used by the ABC. It would seem this is epidemic in Christianity and stems from the fleshly desire of certain types of men (authoritarians) to lord it over another.  I suppose there may be a few women with this same outlook but the ones I have encountered have been predominantly men. This is not anywhere close to the example Jesus gave us of love, acceptance and freedom. From what I have seen there are some universal “untruths” that permeate churches like this and these are the very things Jesus pushed back against. It is what caused him to upset the tables of those selling offerings (salvation) at the temple gates, or caused him call the Pharisees “vipers” and “whitewashed tombs”. This is the basis for the statement that we don’t wrestle against flesh and blood but instead wrestle principalities and powers. Authoritarian false doctrines that bind mankind. Jesus set us free from the law of sin and death.  Now men want to bring it all back, even to the point of initiating again the Old Testament feasts.  

You are correct in stating the ABC is a “secret society”.  Secret societies have a public facing side to give them credibility, but it is that secret side where all the abuses happen out of the view of many.  No one is accepted into the ABC unless you first go through their ritual baptism using their particular rules and codes. Their baptism is the only valid one, per their view. I have covered this on my site in detail. If they want to accept this doctrine of “perfect spiritual genealogy” they will be severely disappointed to learn my father’s baptism did not follow the ABC rules in any way which then corrupts the entire lineage downstream.

As to tithe, they reference tithing to Melchizedek. The upper echelons place themselves as the face of Melchizedek and insist they must be tithed to. I have mentioned many times, over many years, to follow the money. There are a few who have enriched themselves on the financial degradation of others. This example of Abraham and Melchizedek does not reference an ongoing tithe. The tithe (tenth) given came from a one-time spoil of war and did not come from his established earnings. It was a tenth of the plunder after a battle and was a celebration of a victory.  There is no New Testament doctrine on tithe at all. While I appreciate generosity, and ten percent is a good number for many, if a person chooses to tithe or give money or goods, more or less than ten percent, to another entity not the ABC, the question would be; why is this still not giving?

Go without grocery money and go without basic living expenses but pay up to the elite elders, apostles, etc. because how else can you hear the word of God without them and they need compensation for their services. Everyone else is slaves who go without thing so these men can survive comfortably. You lower members don't serve or contribute or minister. You add nothing but the higher ups are so worthy.... pay up or be cut off. That's been my take away.

That is a quite adequate explanation.  Recently I learned the ABC actually sued one of its members in Clark County in order to gain tithe they felt had not been adequately given and over a piece of antique furniture that was coveted (case 23-4-00409-06). Whenever there are abuses, follow the money.

The principles the ABC teaches repeatedly rely heavily on a series of accepted books and draw heavily from a letter Paul wrote to the Hebrew people.  What is missing is they have forgotten to follow the lessons Jesus taught through parables and see their words of Jesus as having more weight than those of Paul and others.  Jesus delineated five most important things and they are these:

·         Justice

·         Mercy

·         Faith on God

·         Love

·         Tolerance

The greatest in that list is “love”. “Tolerance” is simply an extension of that same love to ones we would consider most unlike ourselves. In the parable of the Good Samaritan, it was those of the same faith, who were too busy trying to please God through their religious practices who were the villains of the story.  The hero was a man the Jew would have seen as a defiled enemy. Once you move past those five things, the rest is open to interpretation. This notion in the ABC that with enough Greek word study everyone will all see as one…is wrong.  The entire universe is diverse, all mankind is diverse. We will never on earth see eye to eye completely. We have different languages, different dialects, different cultures…  And those who believe their sets of books will set men free…they only work in English. The great commission applied to the entire world with all its diverse languages, not just English.  Bruce Leonard once told me one cannot find salvation without the Stegenga Greek Concordance. That is putting a lot of trust in a man not really knowing if what he wrote was right.  He may have been wrong or misguided. Number three on that list is Faith on God, not John Stegenga.

I wish you well.